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QuirkyConroy | 12/21/2011 03:43 PM

Brainstorm Solutions for Similar Ideas Issue

Thank you all for expressing your opinions in the forum thread about Ribbon. We have been listening to and thinking about what you have been saying. We understand that this is a larger issue which has affected many inventors. In general, we see the problem as:
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- You submit an idea, only to see another similar one get picked down the road; or
- You submit an idea, only to get comments or messages from someone accusing you of stealing their idea
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First, we are committed to finding a long-term solution to this problem, but we need your help in thinking outside the box to come up with specifics. Please respond to this forum thread with ideas of how we can prevent this in the future. Be creative, lateral-thinking, and visionary.
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Second, we know that many inventors have been affected by this problem in the past, and we want to hear all about it. If you personally have been affected, please email us at similar@quirky.com with the details of your situation(s). Emailing us may not fix the past, but it will help us understand the depth and scope of your specific situation as we look to fix the future.
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Finally, in regards to Ribbon, we feel that everything is above the board as far as the Quirky process goes, so we are not going to take any action. The inventor of Ribbon came up with their idea on their own; the Quirky Designer who worked on Ribbon had never seen the past-idea in question (which, we admit, may be its own issue in-and-of itself); and the ideator of the past-idea in question had opportunities to participate in Ribbon through all its regular Quirky phases, just like everyone else.
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Thank you for your voices in the forums, and thank you for your patience. We would not be here if it were not for you. Now, let's brainstorm long term solutions to this issue so that everyone will be able to feel comfortable submitting their brilliant ideas!

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Justin Giannone | 12/21/2011 | 04:02 PM

Excellent. I think it should be database driven. Every submission you make requires you to fill out a detailed questionnaire. Similarity matching ensues. More to come...

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Andrew Erlick | 12/21/2011 | 04:03 PM

@Justin Thanks for the input, looking forward to the rest.

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Kim Sprattley | 12/21/2011 | 04:32 PM

Can the "Comp Shop" be expanded to past Quirky submissions?

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Matthew Fleming | 12/21/2011 | 04:38 PM

Post-reveal influence: award some influence after the final reveal to concepts that are similar. In the case of Ribbon, some influence could go to Ike, DonD, and Clinton, among others.

Edited At: 04:38 PM - 12/21/2011
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William Fine | 12/21/2011 | 04:44 PM

I have been burnt several times with situations like this.
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Quirky has a built in search bar at the top of the page, why aren't staff utilizing that feature to search for similar ideas BEFORE selecting a product. It took me 2 seconds to find Jasons bakeware idea, and it could have saved quirky from a blow to their reputation.
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I do not plan on submitting anymore ideas until this problem is fully resolved, and all influence is distributed for PAST issues. I am sure that I'm not the only one who feels this way. Resolving this problem should be a top priority!!
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Quirky, You cant expect people to trust you when it appears as if your stealing from them.

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Tiago Poças | 12/21/2011 | 04:49 PM

I think there is no need of significant change. If a "similar idea" wins, we just have to say something about it and i think Quirky is the one that has to solve the issue.
Regarding to the Ribbon case, do you think that the rightest thing to do, has been done? So why don't you do the rightest thing to do? We all know what it is... Why do you talk about it like it is a big problem? It is so easy to solve...

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Andrew Erlick | 12/21/2011 | 04:51 PM

@William You make a good point that Quirky staffers should search for prior ideas. In this case and cases in the past no search was done and those products that were similar did not influence how the final product was designed. How can we grant someone influence for their idea submission when it honestly did not influence anything?

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Elizabeth Wingfield | 12/21/2011 | 04:53 PM

Consider basing the % of influence/sharefluence awarded in the concept phase on how much work needs to be done to flesh out the idea, instead of a "blanket" amount for every product. This is often the area where the heaviest lifting is done, and will encourage more thoughtful participation from the community. I agree that final influence in this area should be awarded when production is complete. By the same token, consider maybe not giving as high a % to ideas that are super-generic, this being determined by not being able to fill out a list of specific, differentiating qualities at the point of submission. The influence system REALLY needs an extreme makeover, the Quirky Edition.

Edited At: 04:54 PM - 12/21/2011
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William Fine | 12/21/2011 | 04:59 PM

Andrew, Just wanted you to see this old post on Get Satisfaction.
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http://support.quirky.com/quirky/topics/plug_hub_influence_should_be_dave_vaccaro
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You cant tell me that quirky never saw Davids submission because he had submitted it several times before the brief began, and he also submitted it during the ID phase for the brief. He got screwed over big time. In situations like this, quirky should go back and award influence to those ideators. Shirley's BS excuse doesnt cut it, because its clear that the final design is nothing like Jareds.

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Michael Taylor | 12/21/2011 | 04:59 PM

Here are just a few for me.
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Switch - case design (mine was the only one proposing vertical blade storage)
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Leveler - main idea (in top 5 with an almost identical idea on paper. Several comments pointing to each about this.)
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Luster - design (should have been multiple winner based on finished design.
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Window Cleaner - main idea (told there wasn't a problem to solve)

Edited At: 05:00 PM - 12/21/2011
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Matt Hall | 12/21/2011 | 05:00 PM

I think with most things we'll find more questions about Q than anything else.

Does the search engine in place search the archives of Q?

Do Q inventors have protection from Q partners copying an idea? If so, how is this monitored?

Does Q do an extensive internal search of its own archive to ensure that the product under consideration hasn't already been submitted/created?

Is it Q policy to only go with 'active' ideas?

Does Q only rely on 'partners' to bring forth past ideas?

If an idea goes inactive but an active ideas strikes to be far too similar how is this handled? And does the original inventor get any credit?

A search engine is good, but only as good as its database. And finding anything within this database is possible but the area under INVENT --> DESCRIPTION OF IDEA might throw the inventor off as some people are using names, others descriptions, and others just plain old word tracks.

Does the Q search engine search the entire idea through every aspect or just the Description of idea since it is the only thing that is actually visible without viewing the entire idea? If the engine is only searching the description we need to replace that first with the database matching system.

Just some thoughts...more to come

Edited At: 05:03 PM - 12/21/2011
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Andrew Erlick | 12/21/2011 | 05:00 PM

@Elizabeth This is a VERY interesting idea. Do you have any thoughts about what these types of specific, differentiating questions could be?

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Justin Giannone | 12/21/2011 | 05:02 PM

Well, if the ideas are matched before they are ever selected, then both the community, and Q would have no choice but to look at the top 10 or so matching ideas.

The matching old ideas could be presented alongside the current submissions. Then people could easily reference the old submissions, and use elements from each to improve the concept.

A certain amount of influence should be awarded to the winning "new" selection NO MATTER WHAT. We cannot discourage new submissions.

Then at the end, the community can vote for what previous art influenced the idea, if any.

Also, QDS would have a built in database to start their brainstorming from.

And the archives would be much more organized to select new ideas from.

But it's all based on taking a well designed questionnaire when filling out your idea. If it's determined you don't fill it out correctly or fully enough, you lose your right to any influence.
I know this is another barrier to entry, but I don't think it's too much to ask.

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Justin Giannone | 12/21/2011 | 05:04 PM

Questions:
What Category is your idea?
Where do you use it? (if the answer is Kitchen, then where in the kitchen?)
What is the main problem you are trying to solve?
What is it made out of?
Why is it different from anything in the market?
List your top 10 keywords to describe your idea. etc etc.
Answers could be autocompleting...

Edited At: 05:07 PM - 12/21/2011
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andrea zabinski | 12/21/2011 | 05:11 PM

I think that we as a community can help by posting like ideas just like you do for "asking us for links to other products" so that we can help those in the past get influence from their old posts...you guys look at it, you determine the % of influence (maybe take off 10% off the top of the new submission to distribute to those that come pretty close or added elements you incorporate into your final design)...easy, you determine the % behind the scenes, we have to then accept it, but everyone feels like they won...
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Now, you still have to keep in mind that the original person may be taking their ideas elsewhere and has already filed a PPA or NPA and you could in the end be sued to for IP infringement...just to let you know, the real way to solve it is to reach out the the original ideator/s to see if they have filed any patent applications as a courtesy...because to be real fair, they still have 12 months from exposure to file at this time and when the law changes they may have filed the PATENT and infringements become a huge issue. GO PRIVATE (or at least have an option!)

Edited At: 05:14 PM - 12/21/2011

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