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Anonymous User | 01/27/2012 10:56 AM

Let's collaborate on the redesign of JOULE

Here's the original entry: http://www.quirky.com/ideations/53320
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And the information that flushed out in the other entry and with community feedback.
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The firestorm with Joule is that it was meant to be many things to many people. One, a safety product, because the bathroom is where most kids get hurt in a home. Littles pull the cords to pull themselves UP and grab hot irons, burning hands. They also love to play in water and can knock the hot irons in the sink and get electrocuted. Making the thing sit on the sink and adding a foot or two in length, makes this more dangerous for the people hurt the most often.
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Making a stand that won't stop a unit from rolling off, will melt the cord and could start a fire. It's Less safe than owning one.
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Second point, Joule was to not let cords twist and break prematurely, saving having to replace it every year. The auto shut off would extend the life of the heating element on hair products as well. The replacement price points for the good ones is well over $100-$250: so the value for owners is upward of several hundred dollars. The market in the US is 10's of millions of buyers, each year. 800M worldwide, each year.
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Third, it was to have a shut of warning timer, so when women get sidetracked, they have a heads up to turn it on for longer. This, to me, was one of the most important things. Women raising kids have to pause and sign homework, find shoes, gym clothes, change babies, etc... If the thing goes off and has to reheat, they lose more time when running late for work. I raised my sister's kids when my brother went to Desert Storm and she went back to work. I KNOW this from experience, raising littles and having 5 sisters. These guys Don't Get It.
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This is also for the aging market and the crafters. Quilting and crafting are both $10B annual markets, on the upswing. And the population is aging. They use electric scissors and glue guns. Arthritis and carpal tunnel start affecting people in their teens and 20's.
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This is for guys who use corded tools, for more power. I've got an electrician friend excited beyond belief, waiting to own a bunch for his crew. They waste time winding and unwinding stuff all day long. I've got the head of facilities for a hospital system, who wants this in every toolbox and truck for his staff. Contractors will grab this up, having to stand on ladders and drill into ceilings, cross beams, flooring, etc... That twisted cord stops them in process, every time. What a pleasure to end that!

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Chameleon | 01/27/2012 | 02:06 PM

Totally.

Edited At: 11:52 AM - 01/30/2012
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Deleted User | 01/27/2012 | 02:16 PM

killer idea
ha

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Chameleon | 01/27/2012 | 04:26 PM

:-) Smile and the whole world smiles with you...you know the rest.

Integrity
Anonymous User | 01/28/2012 | 11:31 AM

If the community comes together and makes something they support, which is better than the rendering, everyone wins. If they don't, everyone loses.
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Why not give all of us the chance to see what collaboration with the community, listening to feedback, can produce? If it doesn't work, quirky has been right to ignore us all and utilize the buzzwords to market themselves. If they are proven wrong and learn from it, again, everyone wins.

Steve_leduc
Steven LeDuc | 01/28/2012 | 07:45 PM

Let it rest. Your idea didn't make it. Neither did mine and thousands of others. It sucks but enough is enough, take your original idea and design elsewhere and see how it works out. I hope it does but we all want our ideas to become great products which is why most of us are here. Unfortunately, that only happens for a select few
(for a reason)

Soloflightcrop
William Fine | 01/28/2012 | 10:27 PM

Steven, I don't know why you feel like you need to have a attitude with Anonymous. You haven't been here long enough to know the history of the company or the amount of time/work the community has put in. She has every right to be upset with the situation.

Integrity
Anonymous User | 01/28/2012 | 10:48 PM

Steven - If you don't have something constructive to add, please leave this be. We are a tight knit community who has BUILT this company, as much as the staff in NY. We have the right to expect a standard equal to all we give here. And, it's our responsibility to keep them accountable to us and the dream.
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As my mom would say, MYOB.

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mark wisdom | 01/28/2012 | 10:53 PM

I am up for collaborating I wil give it some thought and post back in a few days. I am thinking maybe something along the lines of this Weller WTCPT modded for the iron and incorporating some of your features like timer ect.

Neurons
ScubaEd | 01/28/2012 | 11:32 PM

My 2c.... First question to be answered:
 
Who is the market for this idea? (very, very, specifically)
 
The answer to that question is critical because: (1) the aesthetics/ruggedness/size of a product for a machinist are not the same as for someone that would be seeing it in the bathroom every day, (2) the feature priority for one market are not the same as the priorities for another, and (3) the specific sizes/weights of the product features depend on the types of devices that will be plugged in. All of these priorities and questions set the possible cost points of the product.
 
It is clear to me that Quirky answered this question with "bathroom product for women." What is YOUR intended market?

Integrity
Anonymous User | 01/28/2012 | 11:39 PM

Neutral color, all the ones mentioned above. That's the beauty of it.
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People who buy throwaway $30 products aren't the market. It's the person who spends money for a good quality product, the Mikita drill, the $200+ straightener, the $38 electric scissors, etc... The value of time saved and convenience for all three markets commands the higher quality demand and price point.
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We had hairdressers, husbands, fathers & moms weighing in, crafters, contractors, electricians are all excited about buying it. I talked about it at Home Depot, trying to come up with design ideas and people stopped and asked where they could order it. At least 6, inside of 10 minutes. It meets a widely diverse NEED.

Steve_leduc
Steven LeDuc | 01/28/2012 | 11:44 PM

William, I have been here long enough to read, understand and comprehend the situation. Don't underestimate a new participant especially when you don't know their background.

AM or Anonymous User, I have been constructive to you in my last post as well as others that I offered in your previous posts. How you choose to take or interpret that information is upon you. My very first suggestion was to take your original idea and run with it, Quirky has no claims on your idea or your design and cannot require the 10% ownership that originally took you by surprise, even though it is clearly stated in their terms and conditions. As I mentioned, if you feel your original idea is better, provides all the requirements of your original submission, than you have every right to take that idea and run with it using an alternative method and/or company. HOWEVER, if you use what Quirky designed for you, you're screwed but I think You know what to do....or do you? Which is why I posted what I did....LET IT REST! move on...you will not do yourself any good here.

Neurons
ScubaEd | 01/29/2012 | 12:18 AM

@AU, that is not specific enough.
 
Everyone is not a valid answer. Everyone is in love with "the idea" but it has to be reduced to "practice". To be reduced to practice the specific ordering of features matter. Specific details matter. I am not talking about color here, I am talking about features (and cost). How much is each one of these markets willing to pay?
 
Just a simple example: Although swiveling wire connections exist, these are in very low current plugs (e.g., phone). Developing a _safe_ easy-swiveling connection for the types of currents required for a 1000W appliance is an engineering, regulation, and design undertaking all on its own.  It is not the same to have a power adaptor that allows you to move a power supply around than to have one that can move freely enough to uncurl a cord. This feature alone can take 6 months or more of development, and be very expensive to implement. This feature alone could be its own product.

Neurons
ScubaEd | 01/29/2012 | 12:24 AM

I just realized that a swivel connector exists.
 
Here is the website: http://www.power-delivery.com/swivel_electrical_connector_02.php .
It has a currently valid patent on its name: US Patent 6190180. http://www.google.com/patents/US6190180

Note the complexity of the design, and that they went with a completely new plug to make it work.

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Chameleon | 01/29/2012 | 06:12 AM

Have you spoken to a prototype designer?

Edited At: 11:52 AM - 01/30/2012
Integrity
Anonymous User | 01/29/2012 | 11:17 AM

I spoke to a prototype designer with 20 yrs in the biz, here in Silicon Valley, about the rotating plug and he said it was a simple, cheap thing to do. Have the plug with a ring of contact points touching another ring on the plugged in body unit, with contact points, so that it will always be able to rotate and stay powered. The thing is so simple and cheap, he doesn't want to waste his time on it.
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We need input from people with expertise: electrical, regulations, functional parameters. I dunno!

Edited At: 11:19 AM - 01/29/2012

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