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EW, I hope you and the rest the best. Fairness is good for everybody.
However, I also advise you five to frame your expectations with eye's wide open:
- Those in charge of you have been unable or unwilling to successfully deal with this issue for a long time* - and I would fear the effect of "unwilling" on your efforts. (*If this were not so, Q would not need you.)
- Remember Ribbon...Quirky may expect the same reasoning from you. (Ribbon was "[not the same because 'it's not what it does, but how it does it']".
- Quirky as a whole has been unable or unwilling to change it's overall system to eliminate/reduce this issue; so how much of a priority can it really be?
- What does Quirky get out of this? ...fairly distributed influence? (why would it care?) ...a resolved similars issue? (why would it care?) etc.
It seems all the things that we hope the council accomplishes are concerns to us...and have no effect on Quirky either way. What effects Quirky?
See, this is not an attempt to minimize the council or predict it's failure.
It's pointing out that Quirky has a history with these sorts of efforts...go in eye's wide open and see if you can get a better result.
ha - I would say the community saw less eye-to-eye in 2010 than we do now, probably because (a) Ben embraced conflict, and (b) we felt we were building something
I do like your phrase, though: "Embrace it as your own". I
So, y'all, remind me...what did Ben ask us to do if we saw something we didn't like?
hint: It wasn't shut up about it.
It wasn't if you don't like it, leave.
He didn't limit it to "new" issues...
...which reminds me, when somebody say's they've seen this all happen before, what kind of logic makes another say, "Oh, you're just an old-timer" like that means they've not seen it before? tick tick tick tick...?
Anyway, the basic "you don't know what you're talking about because you've been at Quirky for more than three years" is a classic non sequitur...and nothing more that a distraction tactic.